TTWSYF I know you disagree and I understand why. When I read Acts 5:3-4 I see as a possible interpretation of it that which you state. I even think that your interpretation of it might have a higher probability of being the writer's intended interpretation. But, I decided to present an alternative view. Note that I did say the interpretation (the alternative view) which I presented in my earlier post is the correct one (though it is the one which WT literature taught me while I was a JW), for I used the word "might" as a qualifier expressing my uncertainty.
Disillusioned JW
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Scriptures That Don’t Fit WT Theology
by Sea Breeze inhere’s a couple good ones: a. jesus said, “come to me and i will give you rest”.. why did jesus command us to go to him and not jehovah?.
why does the bible say that the name of jesus is above every name?
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Watchtower Says Their Writings Are Part of the Bible and Are Essential For Salvation
by Sea Breeze inhard to believe, but it's true:watchtower december 15, 2008, pg.
28 – “our coming to know "the truth‟ - the entire body of christian teachings that has become part of the bible - and adhering to it are essential for our salvation”.this is the same position of the roman catholic church.
one of the pope’s titles is the vicar of christ.
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Disillusioned JW
The quote from the WT is not at all saying what the title of your topic thread says. By the word "Bible" it simply means the books of the Protestant Bible; the WT is not including their writings (other than of course their translations of the Bible) as part of the Bible. By "the entire body of Christian teachings" the WT means those teachings which are in the NT. I strongly think you are reading into the WT quote that which you want to see in the Wt literature, out of a desire to find evidence against the WT.
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Scriptures That Don’t Fit WT Theology
by Sea Breeze inhere’s a couple good ones: a. jesus said, “come to me and i will give you rest”.. why did jesus command us to go to him and not jehovah?.
why does the bible say that the name of jesus is above every name?
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Correction: In my prior post where I said "instead of saying it belongs to God" I should have said "instead of saying it is God".
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Scriptures That Don’t Fit WT Theology
by Sea Breeze inhere’s a couple good ones: a. jesus said, “come to me and i will give you rest”.. why did jesus command us to go to him and not jehovah?.
why does the bible say that the name of jesus is above every name?
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Acts 5:3-4 in saying that when one is lying to the Holy Spirit that one is also lying to God, it might not be conveying that the Holy Spirit is God, but instead that the Holy Spirit is a representative/intermediary of God. Hypothetically speaking, if God and angels exist, then if one lies to an angel (when the angel is acting as a messenger/representative of God) than lying to the angel might also amount to lying to God, since the presence of the angel would be acting as a means to communicate the person's words to God.
2 Corinthians 3:17-18 might not be saying that the Holy Spirit is God.the phrase of "Lord is the Spirit" might instead be saying that YWH/Jehovah is a spirit being, the great spirit. The phrase of "Spirit of the Lord" might be saying that the holy spirit (or Holy Spirit or Holy Ghost) belongs to God and comes from God, instead of saying it belongs to God. I believe such is the view of the WT and that view is the most reasonable interpretation to me of the what the scripture passage is saying in regards to the identity of the Spirit in the passage. [See the verses in the 1984 NWT, as well as John 4:24 and Isaiah 61:1 in the 1984 NWT.
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When Did the Watchtower Introduce the "Generation of 1914" Teaching?
by Ding ini'm looking for help to track down the development of the "generation" doctrine, starting with when the wt first specifically tied the end to the generation of 1914.. russell taught that 1914 would be the end of this system of things.
when that failed, rutherford started touting 1925.. no need to talk about generations then; it was just specific dates.. when did they first tie the end in to a "generation of 1914" time frame?.
i also know that they changed the meaning of generation several times.. first, a person had to have been at least 15 in order to have seen the events of 1914 with understanding of what was happening.. i think they lowered that to 10 and then finally it was anyone who was alive in 1914.. of course, now the generation overlaps.. does anyone know someone where all these wt teachings are set out chronologically (preferably with citations to the literature)?.
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Disillusioned JW
The page at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Development_of_Jehovah%27s_Witnesses_doctrine might be of some interest to you .
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Scriptures That Don’t Fit WT Theology
by Sea Breeze inhere’s a couple good ones: a. jesus said, “come to me and i will give you rest”.. why did jesus command us to go to him and not jehovah?.
why does the bible say that the name of jesus is above every name?
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Thanks Wonderment for your stating your interpretations; they clarify matters.
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Is most of the promotion of creationism, not just that by the WT, charlatanism?
by Disillusioned JW inis most of the promotion of creationism, not just that by the wt, charlatanism?.
https://www.fullmoon.nu/sources.bak/chapter%2010/part%202/gish%20exposed.html [which has an article called "creationism: bad science or immoral pseudoscience?
- (an expose of creationist dr. duane gish)"] says the following.. 'a look at the "scientific" creationist movement and a close examination of the tactics of a well-known and influential creationist will reveal that the creation "science" movement gains much of its strength through the use of distortion and scientifically unethical tactics.. .... with the facts explained and the lawsuits won, scientists declared victory and returned to their labs and offices.
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jhine, what would it take, if anything, for you to give up belief in a personal God and in all alleged spirit beings, and to become a scientific naturalist?
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If not the WT/JW relgion where else are 'we' to go? Why not atheistic/scientific philosophical naturalism?
by Disillusioned JW insometimes jws wonder if the wt/jw is not the truth, 'then where else are we to go?
' i say 'why not atheistic/scientific philosophical naturalism and why not a secular philosophy which teaches a way of life?
' what do you folks say?.
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Atheists and naturalists what are the best ways we can convince people there is no personal God? What are the best ways we can convince people of scientific naturalism? What are the best ways we can defeat Christianity and all of other organized religions which teach that supernatural beings exist? Is there there a better to achieve such than by debating with theists online?
Would it be more effective if led our lives in harmony with scientific knowledge and sensible philosophy to such an extent that atheists became more demonstrably more successful in life than theists? If we were to achieve such, would such attract a great many theists to investigating atheism and naturalism to see why atheists and naturalists are (in the hypothetical future) so successful in life? Would that make such theists more willing to accept the reasoning of atheists and naturalists? What do you think?
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Scriptures That Don’t Fit WT Theology
by Sea Breeze inhere’s a couple good ones: a. jesus said, “come to me and i will give you rest”.. why did jesus command us to go to him and not jehovah?.
why does the bible say that the name of jesus is above every name?
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Well we don't know Jesus said “Come to Me and I will give you rest”. We only know that a book of the Bible says that Jesus said that. But if Jesus did say “Come to Me and I will give you rest”, I don't know why he didn't tell his followers to go to YHWH/Yahweh/Jehovah God for rest instead. Yes the NT says that God sent Jesus as a means of salvation, but the OT says that YHWH Elohim is salvation and that there is no savior besides him (besides YHWH Elohim).
The modern-day non-Christian Jews (the Jews of Judaism) believe they don't need a mediator between them and YHWH God. Furthermore, they pray directly to God (without saying 'in Jesus' name). Furthermore, even the Lord's prayer (also called the "our father" prayer", which the gospels says Jesus said is the way his disciples should pray, makes no mention of Jesus. Granted according to the gospels Jesus mentioned that prayer prior to his death and thus prior to his alleged resurrection, but nonetheless that prayer does not say to pray in the name of Jesus and it does not say to pray to Jesus. It is a very non-Christian Jewish type of prayer.
Even more puzzling to me is the statement in the Greek NT Bible that the name of Jesus is above every name, and thus claimed to be above the name of YHWH/Yahweh/Jehovah. Christianity started out as a Jewish religion and the Bible of the pre-Christian Jewish religion (the OT Bible) declares that YHWH is the highest and has no equal and that no God existed before YHWH. It also says "YHWH our God is one YHWH". It is largely because of those teachings that the Jews of Judaism reject the idea that Jesus is God and why they reject the Trinity doctrine.
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Breaking News: Anthony Morris III no longer serving on the Governing Body
by WingCommander inthis has been announced on the jw's official website, in the "jw news" section.
this is not a joke.
anthony moron da turd is out as a gluttonous body member!
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The idea of 'to never disfellowship a brother or sister in “a position” ' reminds me of the USA Constitution saying that a sitting US President must not be convicted of major crimes while the person is still President, and that instead if necessary the process of impeachment in the House and the conviction on the impeachment charges in Senate must used to first remove the President from office, before the president is tried in real court.